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Help, At witts end.

Postby Bertz » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:48 pm

First off, What a great informative site, Thank you all. :thumb:

Now, i have been keeping Fronts for about 14 years same ones like my own kids and treated that way as well.
Started out with 6 in my 180gal after the first year i was down to 3, Hole in the head was horrible.
However the remaining 3 seemed to bounce back and began to thrive.

Once they got to about 8 inches 2 were from what i could tell from all the info i gathered, Males.
The third a female dropped eggs at least 4 times wife and i saw, No fry ever i was stupid to have cookoo's in their as well at that time.

Well very long story short, 13 years later i have a very big 14 inch Brute "awesome" Male and the great looking lady, Like hitting a Lotto 1 male and 1 female fullgrown raised from and inch to 12 - 14 inches for over 13 yrs. Yeah i wish it were that easy.

Well 3 years ago, Due to personal issues we had to move, I had to give up the 180gal, I was stuck putting them in a 55gal i no.....Cardinal sin but its all i could do with all the changes in mylife going on at the time.

Just the 2 of them things were going ok, the first 2 years, But then the male, Came down with hole in the head again or it was dormant all this time, i have been maintaining it with weekly sometime 3 water changes a week.
Filtration in a ehiem canister filter also running my 220 gal. Wet/dry that i had on the 180gal.
I lowered the flow for sure in the 55.
Its to the point, I have had it, I no they need a bigger tank, Just can't do it right now.

But anyway, They both are now very, very, very fussy eaters, I seem to be doing more tank cleaning now getting uneaten food out its driving me crazy.
O'yeah argonite not fun while trying to get out small food bits with a python or any other method either....Lol

I'm looking for what would you try or what would you do if it were you type help.
I'm willing to do anything even give them up to a larger safe home as long as they are taken care of well for 0-NOTHING, Just give them a good home.

Before i do this, i'm just trying to get some ideas to try before last resort of finding them a new home.

The hole in the end is not effecting the female on the outside no visual signs, the male has a hole about the size of a #2 pencil eraser top above his upper lip and seems to come and go once a month now.

They were big eaters of the Hikari sinking pellets and a few times a month whiting or haddock.

Tank temp is 78, ph 7.6, Homemade salt solution reciepe from this site :thumb: .
They are active i made custom sturdy - mesh huts for each of them no other decor in there so they have some room.

But anyway, I lost my Dad, my 14 year old awesome malamute doggy, my 19 year old maincoon cat, 2 aunts and 1 cousin in the past year and half, So i can take another heartbreak if it is recommended that i find them a better home. Heart is numb now so now would be the time, I guess if there is no other solution.

Thanks for all the info and a great site. Sorry for long post.

Avid hobbiest for around 17 years now, Went from discus to fronts at one point i had 16 tanks....lol

Thanks again,
Bert
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Postby fmueller » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:00 pm

Hi Bert,

Welcome to CF, and sorry to hear about all your bad luck. Regarding the food, my fronts are only about half as old as yours (7 years), but I have noticed that they seem to need less food as they get older. Mine used to be ravenous at daily feedings. Now I usually skip a day or two, and they'll eat, but not in a feeding frenzy like tropheus and mbuna tend to do. I don't think it's anything to worry about.

A lot of people associate hole in the head with stress. Keeping large fish in a small tank causes them stress...

All the best

Frank
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Postby Bertz » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:56 am

Thank You fmueller,

Yes i noticed that as well with the feeding, These Fronts have really never been frenzy type feeders.
But now it seems they will eat once a week a good meal.

Well, i did a few changes, I took off the Ehiem canister filter and i'm just running my 220gal. wet/dry system on it.
I added a few more filter sponges in the sump part and in the pre-filter to add more particle pick up space.
I figured cut down the water flow more so by removing the canister filter, They seem to be alot more calmer and more relaxed now, I will continue to monitor water for any changes.

I also called my fish guy and explained what was going on, He has 3 150gal. Front tanks in his store that are showcase, if all else fails on my end he will be willing to take them.
He is well aware of the males hole in the head and feels the fish should be alright.

I miss my 180 gal. for sure and i no they do too.

Thanks again for your input, I'll try and get some pictures up from their young days and present day. Funny, when i first picked up all the fronts many moons ago, He said you no these fish treated right will live 25 + years, I hope i can give them that.

Thank You.
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Postby Bertz » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:58 am

Update,
My Fronts are doing good, They are eating good, taking food from my hands again.
I am doing 2 partial water changes a week about 30% of the 55's volume.
The males hole in the head has cleared up and he is looking good.

Last night they showed some spawning signs again colors out in full bloom and side dancing in circles.,

I am hunting for a larger tank, 100-120 gal.
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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby Floridagirl » Mon May 21, 2012 11:05 pm

I'm glad they will go to a larger tank...I've never experienced hole in the head disease with my fish..knock on wood..never will.
Too many fish to choose from, too few tanks!
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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby Bertz » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:45 am

Floridagirl wrote:I'm glad they will go to a larger tank...I've never experienced hole in the head disease with my fish..knock on wood..never will.
Looks like i'm going to order a tank, I found a few glass tanks "120 gal's" 6 ft' for good prices, I really want Acrylic this time just because of the weight difference between the 2.

My old 180 was a beast 4 tough guys to handle it, I'm getting older , lol So i want a lighter tank to deal with.
The fronts are doing much better at this point, I'm going to do what i can for them, 14 years their a part of the family and deserve a good chance.
The pic's aren't the best, I'll try for better.
I made those mesh huts just so they were a bit calmer and seem to work out.
Until new tank is set up.

The male is about 15 inches and the female is 14 inches::::
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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby Bertz » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:07 pm

fmueller i must say, I am in Awe looking at your tanks on your site.
Nice work.
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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby Bertz » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:00 am

Well a sad but yet sort of happy update,

My male, After 14 years has lost his battle with hole in the head it seems like he had from day one.
That pained me deeply he was like a child to me.

But in a strange event, I noticed 3 days later my female wasn't eating, I was very worried and started to monitor her for a few more days.
She looked healthy, colors in full bloom.
I noticed her mouth bulging a bit a week went by, So i put a few pellets in, She tried to eat them but wouldn't pick them up.

A couple of more days passed i tried again to feed, This time I SAW THEM, FRY in her mouth.
I can't believe it, Before my male passed they spawned, Maybe the stress of spawning was to much for him???

It is now over 4 weeks and i now have 22 babies that wife and I counted swimming around and eating, They look healthy and growing fast most are around half inch now.

I did end up picking up a 120 gallon, But i haven't set it up yet, 2 days after i bought it my male died and i just didn't have the heart to set it up.

Now mom and kids are in the 55 alone, How long before i should move them into the 120, I still have to set it up.

Thanks Bert
I'll get pic's of babies posted later.
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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby jcabage » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:24 am

This has got some potential to be a theatrical storyline. :D The daddy lives on! Congrats on the fry. This post was a pretty exciting update after a couple of months. We definitely need pictures
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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby iandraco » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:51 am

wow. what a crazy turn of events. very sorry for your loss, but congrats on the fry. hope they grow up big and strong for you so you can start a new colony.
show me a cichlid that isn't hungry and i'll show you a cichlid that isn't happy.
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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby fusion » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:05 pm

Happy endings are great :thumb:

Now just set up the new tank and enjoy your new additions

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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby Bertz » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:53 pm

Thanks everyone, It amazing to us that this happened this way.
These pic's aren't the best right now, When the wife gets home i need to find out from her what setting she has the camera on so i can post clearer pic's..

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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby Bertz » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:32 pm

Update:

Well these l'il buggers are growing fast, I have 14 growing nicely.
I will be setting the tank up in about 2 weeks, I didn't want to move the babies until they started growing and everything settled down.

I am maintaining this tank with extra extra care, 3 20% W/C's a week, Cleaning the filters getting excess food out, Which theres really none left over, They eat very well.

Heres a few pic's and i'll try a video as well, I hope its viewing is clear.

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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby Bertz » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:42 pm

Almost forgot, I now have another adult female, One of my buddies gave her up, So a grabbed her.

You can tell for sure there is 4-6 males showing in the bunch of babies.
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Re: Help, At witts end.

Postby metricliman » Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:48 pm

This is an amazing story. Glad to see him live on. Again, amazing. You are a very dedicated person. Congrats!
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