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Re: Multies FINALLY had babies

Postby Darkskies » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:59 pm

TMB60 wrote:Keep in mind that tearing down your tank, transporting it and setting it back up will result
in your fish "starting from scratch" to some extent. They no longer have a chosen shell and the new shell
arrangement won't be exactly what they were used to. They will need to spend some time re-landscaping
the sand to their liking again. But we have found through moving my son's tank so many times that if you
closely match the shell and decoration arrangements to what they were already used to, they will settle in
and start breeding again much quicker. Last time we moved my son's tank to school, he reported a new batch of fry
showed up after only 3 weeks. So that was quick work and seems to show they got comfortable quickly.

As far as the mother and fry reuniting after the move - there are no guarantees based on what I've said above. The mother may opt
to try and claim a new shell close to where her old shell was before the move, or she may opt to re-settle in another area of the tank or shell bed.
No way to predict. Just accept that "it'll be whatever it will be". I realize this is your first batch of Multie fry and you want to witness all the
mother/fry/protection scenarios with them. Just accept that moving the tank may disrupt this. But with Multies being such prolific breeders, you will soon
be basking in fry heaven again. Just be patient and let nature take its course. My son waited 6 months for his first fry - but since then he's been getting a new batch every 3 to 4 weeks (same with my tank at home). So you will get what you desire - just be patient a bit longer (I know it's hard).

When you go to remove the shells from your tank for transport, you will not know which shells the fish are hiding in unless you actually see them dive into it.
The fry may or may not go into a shell. Here's what I do: I just carefully remove each shell one or two at a time "open side up" so as to ensure not to spill any water out of it or let any air into it (because their "may" be a fish hiding inside). Carefully place shells in container of tank water for transport. When all shells are removed from the tank, I just net any remaining fish from the tank and place them in with the shells. If there are fry remaining in the tank, it's a judgement call on what to do with them. If they are new teeny-tiny ones, I leave them in the tank with an inch of water over the sand. A little bigger I may try to net them or coax into a plastic drinking cup. Again - judgement call. Whatever I think will be less stressful at the time. Either way, you might get lucky but should not expect 100% success with very small fry. Nature of the beast. Just do the best you can. After you set up the tank at school, just enjoy watching the fish "make it their home" again. Before you know it, they'll be rewarding you with more fry.....and more fry....and more fry.
Good luck and keep us posted after the move. I'd be very interested to hear how it went. BTW, my son goes to school in NY!!

Tom


Thanks again for the detailed reply Tom! I'll definitely keep everyone posted after the move. I'm actually going to be living in NJ while attending school(south Jersey). Since the water parameters(pH,etc.) might be different from what my fish are currently used to will they be able to acclimate well? They won't be shocked by any pH changes right? I can add baking soda/epsom salts in any case as a precaution in case the water's not hard enough.

Multies are my first ever cichlids. Consequently it's my very first cichlid spawn and my second spawning of any fish(first was guppies). I know I'm being obsessive but of the fry that do survive the move, once they've grown to adulthood will they still be good parents if they were never really cared for by their own due to the stress of the move? I bought these fish thinking that they would breed rather quickly(as per all reports) but it figures that they decide to finally breed right before I'm heading to school!
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Re: Multies FINALLY had babies

Postby TMB60 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:25 pm

Test your water just before tearing the tank down at home and duplicate the parameters as best you can when setting it up at school. Fish will adjust to different parameters better if done slowly over time, so the idea is not to shock or stress them too much with a quick and drastic change. Don't forget to
dechlorinate if using city water. When all looks good and the temp is right, add the fish.

Your surviving fry should breed just fine. Mother Multies don't "nurture" their young. They simply try to protect them from predators. When they are sexually mature, instinct will tell them to breed, breed, breed and it has nothing to do with what mommy did or didn't do when they were small.

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Re: Multies FINALLY had babies

Postby Pizzle » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:31 pm

I have moved a fish tank in the car without removing the fish a couple times. I just left a couple inches of water in a 20 gallon high tank and placed it on the floor of the passenger seat. Then I wedged some things in there to make sure it wouldn't tip over or slide. However, one of the times I did this, the tank developed a slow leak shortly after setting it up in its new location. The move probably contributed to the breach in the silicone seal. Whenever you move a tank without it being completely empty, you always risk this...even if you are just moving it on to another stand nearby. But the leak happened after the third time I moved it in this manner, so the first two times there was no problem. If I was going to move a tank in the future, I would empty it and put the fish in tupperwares as someone suggested.
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Re: Multies FINALLY had babies

Postby Darkskies » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:17 pm

TMB60 wrote:Test your water just before tearing the tank down at home and duplicate the parameters as best you can when setting it up at school. Fish will adjust to different parameters better if done slowly over time, so the idea is not to shock or stress them too much with a quick and drastic change. Don't forget to
dechlorinate if using city water. When all looks good and the temp is right, add the fish.

Your surviving fry should breed just fine. Mother Multies don't "nurture" their young. They simply try to protect them from predators. When they are sexually mature, instinct will tell them to breed, breed, breed and it has nothing to do with what mommy did or didn't do when they were small.

Tom


Wow, I can't believe it! Another fish has had babies! It's kind of sad since I'm worrying about how many of the fry will survive the move. Also, I was planning on doing a water change today but the new multi that has fry in its shell is right by the end of the tank where I pour the new water down from my bucket(I really should get a python/aqueon water changer). Do I just have to make sure I only pour in small amounts of water at a time so that the fry aren't damaged by the rushing water? That would mean extra trips back and forth from the bathroom faucet. How well do multi fry cope with water changes? Are large water changes(50%) not recommended?
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Re: Multies FINALLY had babies

Postby Dawg2012 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:54 pm

I have a 20L with sand. Same problem, I don't want to just pour water in. I set the bucket up higher than the tank and use a small-ish siphon hose that I anchor in the tank so it outputs on a rock... then just start it and let is siphon. It's easy and works great :)
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125 Afra, Red-Top Hongi, White/Yellow labs
75 Multies, Cyps and Caudo's (maybe)
75 White Calvus, in work (want another Afra tank :) )
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Various others...
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